Comments on: Django, Rails, Symfony – A different point of view http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/ Just another developer blog Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:25:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Marcus Kielly http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-58 Marcus Kielly Sun, 01 May 2011 23:07:06 +0000 http://blog.ifabio.com/?p=12#comment-58 The irony is that Symfony and Zend share components and the developers share a lot of ideas between the two companies. There are 100s of frameworks in the PHP ecosystem, but they boil down to a few patterns - the variations are like those found in automobiles, some are built for speed, some for reliability, some for features. It's strange that the author likes Django and Symfony, giving that they are almost diametrically opposed - django is like jQuery for server side... The irony is that Symfony and Zend share components and the developers share a lot of ideas between the two companies. There are 100s of frameworks in the PHP ecosystem, but they boil down to a few patterns – the variations are like those found in automobiles, some are built for speed, some for reliability, some for features. It’s strange that the author likes Django and Symfony, giving that they are almost diametrically opposed – django is like jQuery for server side…

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]]> By: Colin http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-38 Colin Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:26:18 +0000 http://blog.ifabio.com/?p=12#comment-38 I think this is a nicely balanced post. I have used zend framework for about 2 years and just started a new project with symfony. My feeling is zf is great if you like having complete freedom to build an application your way, however, for me personally I am enjoying the way symfony is building some of the code for me. Yes, zf has started to do this too. I wanted to start using doctrine orm and found symfony the easiest way to start doing it. Would have to cobble together about 3 or 4 blog posts to understand how to do it zf. Don't want to start a flame war because zf is excellent when you know it. I think this is a nicely balanced post. I have used zend framework for about 2 years and just started a new project with symfony. My feeling is zf is great if you like having complete freedom to build an application your way, however, for me personally I am enjoying the way symfony is building some of the code for me. Yes, zf has started to do this too. I wanted to start using doctrine orm and found symfony the easiest way to start doing it. Would have to cobble together about 3 or 4 blog posts to understand how to do it zf. Don’t want to start a flame war because zf is excellent when you know it.

]]> By: ifabio http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-12 ifabio Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:42:46 +0000 http://blog.ifabio.com/?p=12#comment-12 I'm not talking about diffusion. I'm talking about my approch to them. I’m not talking about diffusion. I’m talking about my approch to them.

]]> By: Andre http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Andre Fri, 05 Mar 2010 13:19:49 +0000 http://blog.ifabio.com/?p=12#comment-11 That´s the difference in philosophy: Symfony does follows RoR and uses its format, which is not much known outside a small group. Zend follows patterns that more people may know (standard), such as INI format file. The INI format was more known in Windows platform, but now there are even software in Solaris that uses this config format. And is known by a large number of developers. That´s why it has been chosen. Then csv (very known), PHP, among others. That´s the difference in philosophy: Symfony does follows RoR and uses its format, which is not much known outside a small group.
Zend follows patterns that more people may know (standard), such as INI format file.
The INI format was more known in Windows platform, but now there are even software in Solaris that uses this config format. And is known by a large number of developers. That´s why it has been chosen.
Then csv (very known), PHP, among others.

]]> By: ifabio http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-10 ifabio Thu, 04 Mar 2010 20:47:25 +0000 http://blog.ifabio.com/?p=12#comment-10 Let me explain "I don't understand" meaning. Ini files are normally Windows config files, I don't use Windows but I know Yalm syntax beacuse of RoR. I'd prefer an intuitive or natural language, instead a windows like one. Yalm reminds me Python and Rails. Ini files remainds me how ugly is working with Windows. But, as I said, you have to choose the language is right for you. If you feel comfortable with ini files and Z Framework, and you can work better with them, you've made the right choice. Let me explain “I don’t understand” meaning. Ini files are normally Windows config files, I don’t use Windows but I know Yalm syntax beacuse of RoR. I’d prefer an intuitive or natural language, instead a windows like one. Yalm reminds me Python and Rails. Ini files remainds me how ugly is working with Windows. But, as I said, you have to choose the language is right for you. If you feel comfortable with ini files and Z Framework, and you can work better with them, you’ve made the right choice.

]]> By: Andre http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Andre Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:41:28 +0000 http://blog.ifabio.com/?p=12#comment-9 I may say symfony has some nice features, the cli interface is its best feature. And some nice classes. I do not like symfony for some pieces in it, ORM use for example. Other problem for me is not having the name structure that zend framework has. But that´s me. And for a small saying, I am not saying symfony is bad. It is just not the best for me. I am a fan of Zend Framework and Yii. I may say symfony has some nice features, the cli interface is its best feature. And some nice classes.
I do not like symfony for some pieces in it, ORM use for example. Other problem for me is not having the name structure that zend framework has. But that´s me.

And for a small saying, I am not saying symfony is bad. It is just not the best for me. I am a fan of Zend Framework and Yii.

]]> By: Andre http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-8 Andre Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:37:53 +0000 http://blog.ifabio.com/?p=12#comment-8 So, why do you say that about zend framework? The standard for Symfony is Yaml and for zend framework is INI, but both can use another config files, so your phrase does not make sense. You may feel that zend is imature, I do not, but that is not a problem, it´s a personal flavor. But do not say something that is not true (the config file is INI type - that is just one of the possible config file formats). So, why do you say that about zend framework? The standard for Symfony is Yaml and for zend framework is INI, but both can use another config files, so your phrase does not make sense.
You may feel that zend is imature, I do not, but that is not a problem, it´s a personal flavor. But do not say something that is not true (the config file is INI type – that is just one of the possible config file formats).

]]> By: ifabio http://blog.ifabio.com/2010/03/02/django-rails-symfony-a-different-point-of-view/comment-page-1/#comment-7 ifabio Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:05:30 +0000 http://blog.ifabio.com/?p=12#comment-7 You can do the same with Symfony ;) You can do the same with Symfony ;)

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